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Bell to offer unlimited wireless data

With the iPhone expected to land in the lap of a key rival, Bell Canada Inc. is hoping to make its own splash by offering a competing touch-screen device with what appears to be the country's first unlimited wireless data plan.

Bell is hoping to boost sales of its new HTC Touch smartphone this Christmas by offering voice subscribers the option of purchasing a $7 optional plan that adds unlimited access to email and the Internet.

The unlimited data plan, which is not available with other devices and does not allow subscribers to use the Touch as a wireless modem, roughly approximates the price and features of the cheapest plan offered by AT&T Inc. to users of Apple Inc.'s iPhone device in the U.S.

Analysts said the move by Bell was noteworthy because the cost of transmitting wireless data such as emails, music files or streaming video in Canada is higher than in the United States, Europe and even some developing countries.

"It's pretty aggressive," said Michelle Warren, an analyst with Info-Tech Research Group. "It's the first announcement that suggests we're making headway on (lowering) wireless data rates."

While Canada still has a long way to go to catch up with the U.S., where unlimited data plans are the norm rather than the exception, a recent study by The Seaboard Group, a consulting firm, concluded that rates for Canadian mobile phone users have come down significantly in recent months – particularly at Bell and Telus Corp.

Kaan Yigit, the president of Solutions Research Group, said both Bell and Telus could be betting competitive data prices will help level the playing field with Rogers Communications Inc., Canada's largest wireless carrier.

For the past several years, Rogers has enjoyed a significant advantage in the wireless sector because of its GSM network, which has become the global standard outside North America.

As a result, Rogers tends to get the latest phones and devices months before Bell and Telus, which both operate networks based on CDMA technology.

The latest example of the imbalance is Apple's popular iPhone, which is so far available only as a GSM handset.

While Rogers has so far given no word on when the iPhone will be offered to Canadians, most analysts and observers have said it's only a matter of time before Rogers enjoys the "halo effect" of the iPhone's presence in its lineup.

Bell, meanwhile, is no doubt hoping to steal some of Rogers' iPhone thunder with a cut-rate unlimited data package for the HTC Touch, an iPhone competitor.

Powered by Microsoft Corp.'s Windows Mobile software, the Touch offers many of the iPhone's features, including a large touch screen, keyboard and Web browser. The device costs $149.95 from Bell with a three-year contract.

By comparison, Telus is selling the Touch for $99.99 with a three-year contract that includes one of the carrier's existing monthly plans, priced $45 and above.

A Telus spokesperson could not be reached yesterday to comment on whether the Vancouver-based carrier was planning to offer a similar unlimited plan for the Touch.

Adel Bazerghi, Bell Mobility's vice-president of products, said the carrier decided to offer an unlimited plan with the Touch so that customers wouldn't need to worry about exceeding their monthly data allowances – a scenario he said would take away from their "enjoyment" of the device.

While Bell's $7 unlimited plan runs the risk of upsetting its subscribers who use competing devices such as the BlackBerry, which don't come with unlimited data options, Bazerghi stressed that the lack of a full keyboard means the HTC Touch will hold little appeal for email-crazed business-types.
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$7 for unlimited email and internet on your phone.

Rogers and Telus are going to take it in the ass on this if they dont match.
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It's the $7 unlimited mobile browser feature. We've always had it however previously it was only available on regular handsets. PDA's and RIM's required a data package. The HTC is a very nice phone personally even though I work at Bell find it too technologically advanced for my liking! LOL I just want to dial and press send....I need a key pad...LOL

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The Touch is a pretty sweet looking device.
I'm toying with the idea of that or the P4000
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I have a unlocked iPhone with my sim card being Rogers, aslong as you find wifi you have all the internet you need for free. I don't a penny on downloading mobile data.

You don't need to wait for someone to bring the iPhone go and get one and unlock it. It's dwarf's the phones being offered out there
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r u kidding?
htc is crap
nothin beats an iphone... sorry

besides... the only person from here i'd trust with what phone they have is suresh :lol:

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I have an unlimited data plan with bell. But i only have it cause it was grandfathered to me under my plan as I've had unlimited data when they actually offfered it years ago. I pay $60 currently for the feature...so you;re telling me that this service will only cost me $7? If new customers get this deal and I don't I will fucking snap.

I hate the customer service from Bell...I pay quite a bit monthly for my cell and have been for almost 8 years or so and yet i get treated like someone who spends $20 a month.

However, a TNC memeber has helped me out with some things to make bell much better! Thanks!
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By the way, any PC based phone is gonna stink. Just like a computer! lol

Apple Iphone all the way or Blackberry.

I currently have the Blackberry World Phone and love it.
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Once the iphone lands in canada, expect massive price cuts from all carriers on data packages and phones that can handle it. Except from whoever actually has the iphone on their network. Everyone will be switching over to them just for the iphone so they wont hook you up with a decent rate.

FYI, I heard through the grapevine Rogers may not get it cause they want to charge too much for data and Apple is telling them it has to be alot cheaper than they want to charge us to use the phone.

Should be interesting to see who gets it and if Apple will make sure its cheap data to go along with it.
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nothin beats an iphone... sorry

besides... the only person from here i'd trust with what phone they have is suresh :lol:

i'm happy with my krakberri curve :x
How is HTC crap?

Everyone that has it here loves it. Personally I just don't like only having touch screen. There are other hip tops that have a key board which I like. For my personal needs I stick to blackberry!!

Lyta.....you can get the $7 feature for the touchscreen! Didn't I tell you not to call CS!?! LOL

Unfortunately I'm not in customer service anymore...so I am a little lost in plans and features but I got my power! LOL
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In all your infinite wisdom of telecommunications....
HTC devices are actually winning praise across the industry.
The iPhone is great as an entertainment device. Useless for business.
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The iPhone is great as an entertainment device. Useless for business.
and for that reason i don't have one... like i said... blackberry 2

and i have a lot more wisdom about the telco industry than you think :wink:
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Regardless from what I've heard from a couple of friends who have IPhones they hate it. They bought it because it was shiny and new and now they are wishing they didn't.

Navigation is not that easy...also keep in mind as my techs always say..."the more shit you try to cram in your phone the worse it is". I look at it this way when you have a touch screen phone and no keypad....you damage your screen and you're up a river without a paddle. At least on any other phone you can still make and recieve calls. Plus out of warranty repair will be killer!!!
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I look at it this way when you have a touch screen phone and no keypad....you damage your screen and you're up a river without a paddle. At least on any other phone you can still make and recieve calls. Plus out of warranty repair will be killer!!!
that was my concern with the ipod touch... yet apple claims that you can scratch the shit out of the screen and it won't be damaged... i've watched a few youtube vids of people doing it (like seriously killin the fuck out of it) and nothing happens... i gather with the iphone, apple uses the same sort of screen to prevent your phone getting fucked... cuz yea with no screen functionality you are fucked!!
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Even the HTC touch screen has the same thing....but it's not the scratching it....it's the people that do things like sit on their phone....sit on their phone....kick their phone by accident!!! LOL
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GINAQ...so you're telling me there is an $7 unlimited data plan for blackberry users with bell?!
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yep, but its not available for people that were grandfathered in with the old package...
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GINAQ...so you're telling me there is an $7 unlimited data plan for blackberry users with bell?!
Sorry Richard but you are incorrect. LCM I would have called you the same day it came out if that was the case! LOL

The $7 unlimited mobile browser feature is only available on the Touchscreen UTC and all other regular mobile phones. All PDA's and RIM's require a data package. This is different from the unlimited mobile browser feature. The HTC touch is not considered a PDA device. It does not have the same compatabilities as a RIM or a Palm Treo.

The feature has nothing to do with your plan only to do with your device itself. The unlimited mobile browser feature is available to any and all customers with a mobile phone with the exception of those that have a RIM and/or PDA as it does not cover your data usage. So really you'd add it for no reason.


I hope this clears up any confusion for you guys. Let me know if you have any other questions I'll find out the answers.
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I'm a bit confused as to why RIM/treo users would not be eligible for $7 unlimted plan.

What is the difference between a regular mobile phone that emails, texts, browses and downloads between a RIM/treo? What is the difference between my $60 unlimited data package and the $7 unlimited package being offered?
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Looks to me like you are getting RIPPED...

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On a regular phone you can't send attachments, you don't have instant access to email, you can't download files from your email, can't access outlook...etc.

On a regular phone you can access only basic sites that are made available for the browswer menu. On a PDA and/or RIM you can access any website. Download attachements etc. You are paying for packet data. On a regular phone you can't incur much in packet data...the largest thing you can download is a song if you have an mp3 player phone.

Does my explanation help? LOL Keep in mind I don't work in customer service I'm going by logic and what I've been told! LOL
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On a regular phone you can't send attachments, you don't have instant access to email, you can't download files from your email, can't access outlook...etc.

On a regular phone you can access only basic sites that are made available for the browswer menu. On a PDA and/or RIM you can access any website. Download attachements etc. You are paying for packet data. On a regular phone you can't incur much in packet data...the largest thing you can download is a song if you have an mp3 player phone.

Does my explanation help? LOL Keep in mind I don't work in customer service I'm going by logic and what I've been told! LOL
Yeah I guess that makes sense...however, wouldn't the new phone that they are introducing, the one to compete with the IPhone do all those things that a blackberry does? Yet they are offering the $7 unlimited plan for that phone?
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Within 2 weeks of Rogers losing the iphone account for not giving a cheap data package... I think Bell is making a pitch to Apple to be the exclusive carrier and showing them they want to rock and roll.

I predict Bell is going to be Canada's iphone carrier.

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I predict Bell is going to be Canada's iphone carrier.
Negative. The iPhone is GSM only. Bell is CDMA. Not gonna happen.
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I predict Bell is going to be Canada's iphone carrier.
Negative. The iPhone is GSM only. Bell is CDMA. Not gonna happen.

NEGATIVE!!!! Bell aso offers GSM service on our GSM phones :P!!!

The new phone touch phone doesn't offer all the same campatabilities as a blackberry. I'll look into and see what you can do with it.
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I hate my blackberry! I want to get rid of it.

I had a couple of instances where it randomly calls people that are programmed in my phone book and the keypad is locked!!

I was on my way to work one morning at 7:30am and I went to grab my phone in my purse to check the time and it had one of my friend on hold and I ended the call and he called back ( luckily he was at work already and not sleeping) and he said my phone called him 5 times that morning then I checked to see what other calls were placed and it had also called my girlfriend and when we spoke she said she called my phone back to see what was going on and it picked up( without ringing) all she heard was muffled backround noise she thought I was kidnapped and was trying to make contact LMAO!!!

I called my friend Sara once and the same thing happened, the phone answered and all I heard was a cash register and her talking to someone, when I spoke to her later she said her phone was in her purse with the keypad was locked

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already some of the iphones sold in the US don't have proper firmware installed to allow for unlocking :cry:
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I've got some old ass blackberry i bought for $79 refurbed from factory direct without the blackberry part of it setup. This phone has call display, call waiting and i got great reception


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Li....you got a lemon bring it back!!! I haven't recieved any pearls back yet so I'd say they're A OK!! When a phone sucks I get a lot of them back in my stock to use for parts.....I think I'm going to make myself a new super phone!! LOL

I know a few people with Iphones and they don't like them at all and others love it. You either love it or hate there's no in between.

Honestly for the windows software on a phone....I dunno I don't get it. I look at spreadsheets all day I really don't want to see them on my phone and when I'm on the go. Plus on such a small screen it's a pain in the ass to really read through everything.

I love my crackberry for the simple fact that all my email just comes straight through....and since I'm rarely at my desk it's the easiest way for people to contact me. It's convenience that's all.
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Within 2 weeks of Rogers losing the iphone account for not giving a cheap data package... I think Bell is making a pitch to Apple to be the exclusive carrier and showing them they want to rock and roll.

I predict Bell is going to be Canada's iphone carrier.

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I'm going to check with my peeps and see if we are. Personally I don't really care because I have no desire for an Iphone but I think it would be great for Bell.
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Fran, I bought it from Rogers and I called them to tell them what was going on and they sent me a link to download the software again, I said if I come down to the stoe I'm going to throw the phone at them.
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Fran, I bought it from Rogers and I called them to tell them what was going on and they sent me a link to download the software again, I said if I come down to the stoe I'm going to throw the phone at them.

Violent lil biatch aren't we today!?! 3 It could very well be a software issue especially since we have an upgraded version. I'd bring it to the store and make them download the software for me....and then if you still have problems tell them you want a new one!!!!!
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Kris...I use my Blackberry not ony to phone people but I also text constantly, send about 20 emails a day (hate carrying my laptop with me at all times), schedule all meetings, make all important notes and surf the net.

When not at home, my blackberry is my computer! I don't want to have to worry about going over a megabyte on my data plan and getting raped for it so unlimited data is a must.

Plus, Iphone users need unlimited data or else you're not getting the best use out of your iphone.
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When not at home, my blackberry is my computer! I don't want to have to worry about going over a megabyte on my data plan and getting raped for it so unlimited data is a must.

Plus, Iphone users need unlimited data or else you're not getting the best use out of your iphone.
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When not at home, my blackberry is my computer! I don't want to have to worry about going over a megabyte on my data plan and getting raped for it so unlimited data is a must.

Plus, Iphone users need unlimited data or else you're not getting the best use out of your iphone.
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When not at home, my blackberry is my computer! I don't want to have to worry about going over a megabyte on my data plan and getting raped for it so unlimited data is a must.

Plus, Iphone users need unlimited data or else you're not getting the best use out of your iphone.
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Kris...I use my Blackberry not ony to phone people but I also text constantly, send about 20 emails a day (hate carrying my laptop with me at all times), schedule all meetings, make all important notes and surf the net.

When not at home, my blackberry is my computer! I don't want to have to worry about going over a megabyte on my data plan and getting raped for it so unlimited data is a must.

Plus, Iphone users need unlimited data or else you're not getting the best use out of your iphone.
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I just finished a 3 year stint at a large canadian company and would never get on their blackberry system cause I'm not busting my balls 24/7 for someone else. However, with running my businesses it's in my best interest to be in contact with my clients, customers, business partners, etc 24/7.
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Some good opinions (surprising, especially given the sheer fact that this site is typically littered by Class A dolts. LOL!). Let me chime in with something here, particularly on 2 subject matters as follows:


(1) – BCE’s GSM/GPRS offering; and

(2) – Apple iPhone device.


(1) - BCE’s GSM/GPRS:


To the posters above who’re credulously (or rather incredulously!) suggesting that BCE Inc. offers GSM/GPRS carrier based services to wireless subscribers, not only that that is patently erroneous but it is obviously an outright calumny. Try looking at (and reading diligently) a prospectus (or two), BCE Inc.’s securities filings with the OSC, disclosures on SEDAR, patent applications filed by BCE’s General Counsel’s Office before Industry Canada, etc. and you’ll see that the GSM/GPRS offerings by BCE and Telus are confined to roaming agreements with international service providers ---- i.e.: outside the jurisdiction of our CRTC (that’s why it’s limited to some of the World Phones devices or what not they call it).


Simply put, not only our Competition Bureau would forbid and prohibit such a practice, it also would grossly violate current anti-trust legislations. Similarly, banks that issue Visa as their credit card offering can not issue MasterCard or the likes, and conversely, the vice-versa applies.


All that jazz notwithstanding, both Telus and BCE have put forward applications before the CRTC in their quest to adopt 3G+ GSM/GPRS/EDGE services, they have been denied to dat, but now that MTS Allstream, and various other foreign investors are joining the wireless spectrum auction bids to be held by Q3 of FY08, it’s bound to be interesting to see if the CRTC will amend deregulation initiatives. Either way, I personally – like many other Canadians – am of the affirmative belief that our wireless carriers are evil, vile, and sanctimonious curmudgeons exhibiting an antagonistic conduct that is beyond vitriolic, towards satisfying their quest in price gouging consumers without any government body keeping a watchful eye, and if you’re vocal against such Draconian practices of the telcos, join Tony Merchant’s class action proceeding against BCE, RCI, Telus, et al., parties, and it’s already made significant strides thus far -> http://www.merchantlaw.com/cellular.html


P.S.: Off-topic, as an aside, I’m exceptionally elated to see that dufus Michael Sabia go in near term, and thank goodness for US equity giant KKR and others in the consortium will take this poorly handled mismanaged company private, and hopefully restructure and also inevitably sack that goofball Mobility President George Cope too.


(2) – Apple’s iPhone device:


In brief, I love my iPhone. For the past few months since its debut, for me, it's a converged offering that consolidates all carry-on gadgets into one. And I say this as a long-time BlackBerry user. In fact, I hardly have any use for my BB anymore other than to accept/decline meeting requests, compose brief responses, quickly browse through corporate e-mail, etc. Sadly, with RIM's BES, they pretty much have a monopoly on corporate e-mails, but surely, now with big players by the likes of SAP (developing applications for the iPhone), it'll only be a matter of time before iPhones will have a support for corporate e-mails, calendar synching, SSL protected content, etc.


All that said, let me say a few other things, quickly:


1) - My best suggestion would be for anyone, is to purchase this from an Apple store in the US. They sell the device without a contract, whereas AT&T stores will make you sign a 2-year contract. You will need iTunes to activate this (even for the music & other portal, your iPod/generic headphones/ear pieces will NOT work on the iPhone, etc.), but there are several ways around this caveat. (Also, there's been talk of selling these devices WITH a plan in FY08 due to the high volume of unlocked devices, so, if you want it, get it fast ASAP!)


2) - Re: Unlocking. Sure, there are tons of free software hacks out there, but if you’re a technical novice, your best bet is to get this done by a professional crook (e.g.: Indian dudes @ the Eaton Center in downtown Toronto or Chinese dudes @ Pacific Mall in the East End of Toronto for a mere $40). You'll have to purchase a SIM card ($30) from either Fido or Rogers, and go from there on a month-to-month plan to see how this works out for you.


3) - Re: Data usage. I will have to wholeheartedly concur with the other posters on this one. It will cost you an arm and a leg. (Fortunately for me, I am on a global usage corporate plan, where we have unlimited data, and also my provider is AT&T, so voice & data roaming charges are taken care off for me). You can always set the iPhone on voice only mode, and there is a feature were you can have carrier data turned off, and use WiFi (especially now that most firms, coffee shops, hotels, airports, etc. offer free Guest WiFi/WiMax service anyways).


4) - Re: Duty & taxes. Contrary to credulous info out there, THERE IS NO DUTY ON THIS PRODUCT! When you return to Canada, I suggest you declare to Canada Customs, and you only pay the GST/PST (where applicable, e.g.: Ontario).


5) – Re: BES-like Corporate e-mail/IMAP configs. Your firm's IT dept. dudes will likely NOT forward/link corporate e-mail on this device, mainly because it doesn't support high level encryption features that the BBs do on BES.


6) - You can, however, link your POP3/SMTP mail (e.g.: I linked my Hotmail, Yahoo, GMAIL, UofT alumni mail, etc. accounts), and it works great ---- and best of all it is live as in "always on"!


My best advice: talk to people that truly have the device ---- and most of all ---- who are fluent on the know-hows, as opposed to the ilks of the quasi-intellectuals you’ll encounter on sites such as Howard Forums and the likes, which clearly, is the bedrock of gross misinformation and quite frankly are littered by front-line sales type of unlettered beast-esque individuals masquerading as ‘subject matter experts’ who couldn’t attest of the veracity of any info let alone provide anything valuable. It is utterly futile, really.


And lastly, with respect to RCI getting the iPhone here in Canada, my educated guess would be: not anytime soon. My good friend is a corporate governance and regulatory counsel with RCI and he's been instrumental in several wireless spectrum sessions with the CRTC (and FCC for roaming agreements), and in discussions with Apple. Apple's adamant position is that they would like carrier subscribers to have the amenity of unlimited data; RCI's position is an adamant "NO". Clearly there seems to be an impasse here. Plus, with features such as Visual Voice mail and many others patented to AT&T, even if RCI carries this device in say within a year from now, it just won't have all the bells & whistles of the device that the Americans have.



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I read the first portion and HMB don't know where you get your sources but you're obviously pulling shit out of your ass.

I can't comment on specifics of your erroneous information that you spewed out worse than verbal diahera due to legal reasons....but ya going forward...don't speak about BCE and it's divisions as though you know the workings of our company and our management....the services we provide and etc when you obviously don't.

I can only discuss what is released to the public. Unfortunately I will not banter with you and try to correct as it's pointless and aside from that no one has the time nor the patience to read through all your useless jargon.

BTW you should watch the news as Bell is not owned by KKR or any other US company.
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I read the first portion and HMB don't know where you get your sources but you're obviously pulling shit out of your ass.

Can you categorically point out to me as to what in specific that I mentioned contained even an iota of falsehood(s)? I didn’t think so. Btw, I love it how people – by the likes of you and your sanctimonious types – who know so little yet love to babble on about so much. If you’re going to post garbage (e.g.: BCE offers GSM/GPRS services to consumers for domestic usage within our Canadian jurisdiction), at least be prepared to be called out by way offering a retort to scathing criticisms, you uneducated simpleton. Is this how you deal with your colleagues, subordinates, superiors, clients, business partners, et al. and exhibit such level of hostile disdain when confronted about blatant inaccuracies? Learn some manners and civility too. And I truly feel bad for the naďve saps who’re an audience to your inane crap, because surely, having dealt with BCE Inc.’s internal regulatory & corporate governance bodies on a frequent basis I can attest they’re certainly not as intellectually incompetent as you appear to be.


Here’s a subtle tip: Run what I stated by someone remotely qualified inside BCE’s CRTC liaison, OSC channels division, Investor Relations, General Counsel’s Office, and BCE C-Dev entities, and then come back and post, you intellectually challenged dolt. More importantly, everything I mentioned is a matter PUBLIC DISCLOSURE – again – try reading (presuming that a Class A dufus like you can read that is!), BCE Inc’s securities filings, SEDAR entries, prospectus drafts, CERT pages on the BCE Inc. white papers, etc. Reading the 238 page judgement by the CRTC - word for word - on BCE's application (that was turned down by the CRTC) in regards to the proposed offering the GSM/GPRS medium to domestic consumers, would be a good starting point.


Better yet, for the novice such as you, walk into any Bell Mobility retail outlet with an unlocked GSM/GPRS device and see if they'll even consider entertaining the remotely absurd idea of getting a non-CDMA device activated on their network for domestic usage within Canada, and risk inevitable federal prosecution pursuant to various Acts and Statues in place. (My post regarding the BB 8800 devices & roaming agreements with BCE, the anti-trust legislation issues, and the brilliant example regarding the banks and their Visa/MasterCard issuance competition concept that I provided to illustrate the regulatory impediment with BCE & Telus, just went over your head!)


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I can't comment on specifics of your erroneous information that you spewed out worse than verbal diahera due to legal reasons....but ya going forward...don't speak about BCE and it's divisions as though you know the workings of our company and our management....the services we provide and etc when you obviously don't.

Well, given your limited intellectual gifts and apparent inability to put forth thoughtful contributions towards rational discussions where your submissions are challenged, I know, it is indeed a tad bit unsettling for you. Your ad hominem attacks against me doesn’t at all bolster your position, darling. :-S When someone challenges your position, is this how you react? By deflecting away from the query and responding with disparaging remarks? Shows the (lack of) upbringing you’ve had, and how far you’ll go in life - personally and/or professionally.


Anyhoo, you took all that time to construct an utterly incoherent yet vilifying and hateful tirade filled by snide epithets directed at my attention, yet, you didn’t even respond to the topic of inquiry (i.e.: BCE’s purported GSM/GPRS offering that you opened to the door to – which I questioned and refuted thereafter). How ironic. And for the record, someone should give you a crash course on basic Securities Procedure 101: BCE Inc. is a publicly traded company, hence, any transaction and/or change in prospectus content has to be filed with the OSC, SEDAR, Industry Canada, CRTC, et al, parties ---- thus ---- every business aspect of BCE Inc. IS subject to public disclosure(s). One doesn’t have to be an investment banker or a securities counsel or an M and A consultant to understand something that simplistic, general, and basic. Obviously, you even didn’t read let alone manage to decipher my paragraph on disclosures…. I write key sections of prospectuses and conduct securities filings every single day, and sadly, I even had the god awful misfortune to have done the due dils on BCE Inc. during it’s proposed Telus merger talks, earlier this year during the Q1 period.


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BTW you should watch the news as Bell is not owned by KKR or any other US company.

LOL! You’re innately pathetic. How much more can you embarrasses yourself like this? LMFAO! Au contraire my sweety hunny bunny. Had YOU been fully cognizant of current business affairs you’d be fully aware that the BCE Inc.’s majority shareholders voted to allow way for the KKR, Ont. Teacher’s Pension Plan, et al. parties consortium takeover. Ditto for the CRTC on foreign ownership, which btw, they ruled just weeks ago. Again, you just missed the essence of my initial post. Clearly, reading – much like writing – isn’t your forte. Go back to answering the phones and leave the intellectual discussions to those who’re business savvy and are able to carry out one in a meaningful manner..... I won’t even touch the BCE Inc’s curbing of income trusts because clearly I’m speaking a foreign language to you. P.S.: I do religiously follow the markets (particularly for the telco domains) and I do read Bloomberg, CP Newswires, TSX/NASDAQ/NYSE live updates, etc. as though it’s my second wife. :-S


As a friend, I relay this friendly advice to you: If you’re going to go on record by way of taking an adamant position on any given matter, be fully prepared to attest to its veracity. ‘Credibility’ is exceptionally paramount in today’s corporate world of the post SOX compliance era, that is, if you have aspirations, desires, and ambitions to go higher. Read more. Learn more. Cheers and all the best for the ’08 baby! xoxoxo.


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As per the usual, you have absolutely nothing intelligible to contribute. I won’t even address your senseless drivel. You are a complete dolt, one that is of no significant value to anyone whatsoever.


As an aside, not surprising to see cougars the by ilks of you who frequent this site on a routine basis. Hasn’t your biological clock started ticking yet???? No wonder you have this vicarious obsession of keeping tabs of me and my MSN/BlackBerry IM list and what not likes. Evidently, not surprising as to why you’re still unmarried and likely still childless, and IMHO, that’s more than enough plight and a curse for you.


Btw minxy, I’m in NYC for NYE. Since you’re such a bona fide pest, can you please do a public good for once, by way of your Jewish cartel-Bruce Wasserstein-Lloyd Blankfein-Larry Ellison-Safra Catz-et al. affiliation and getting me (and 3 guests) inside some of NYC’s hot spots? Particularly, Sullivan Room, Club Love, Avalon, Spirit, Shelter, and especially I’d kill to get into Socialista! (Please, none of the Roxy, Pacha, Cielo, etc. garbage).
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I read the first portion and HMB don't know where you get your sources but you're obviously pulling shit out of your ass.

Can you categorically point out to me as to what in specific that I mentioned contained even an iota of falsehood(s)? I didn’t think so. Btw, I love it how people – by the likes of you and your sanctimonious types – who know so little yet love to babble on about so much. If you’re going to post garbage (e.g.: BCE offers GSM/GPRS services to consumers for domestic usage within our Canadian jurisdiction), at least be prepared to be called out by way offering a retort to scathing criticisms, you uneducated simpleton. Is this how you deal with your colleagues, subordinates, superiors, clients, business partners, et al. and exhibit such level of hostile disdain when confronted about blatant inaccuracies? Learn some manners and civility too. And I truly feel bad for the naďve saps who’re an audience to your inane crap, because surely, having dealt with BCE Inc.’s internal regulatory & corporate governance bodies on a frequent basis I can attest they’re certainly not as intellectually incompetent as you appear to be.


Here’s a subtle tip: Run what I stated by someone remotely qualified inside BCE’s CRTC liaison, OSC channels division, Investor Relations, General Counsel’s Office, and BCE C-Dev entities, and then come back and post, you intellectually challenged dolt. More importantly, everything I mentioned is a matter PUBLIC DISCLOSURE – again – try reading (presuming that a Class A dufus like you can read that is!), BCE Inc’s securities filings, SEDAR entries, prospectus drafts, CERT pages on the BCE Inc. white papers, etc. Reading the 238 page judgement by the CRTC - word for word - on BCE's application (that was turned down by the CRTC) in regards to the proposed offering the GSM/GPRS medium to domestic consumers, would be a good starting point.


Better yet, for the novice such as you, walk into any Bell Mobility retail outlet with an unlocked GSM/GPRS device and see if they'll even consider entertaining the remotely absurd idea of getting a non-CDMA device activated on their network for domestic usage within Canada, and risk inevitable federal prosecution pursuant to various Acts and Statues in place. (My post regarding the BB 8800 devices & roaming agreements with BCE, the anti-trust legislation issues, and the brilliant example regarding the banks and their Visa/MasterCard issuance competition concept that I provided to illustrate the regulatory impediment with BCE & Telus, just went over your head!)


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I can't comment on specifics of your erroneous information that you spewed out worse than verbal diahera due to legal reasons....but ya going forward...don't speak about BCE and it's divisions as though you know the workings of our company and our management....the services we provide and etc when you obviously don't.

Well, given your limited intellectual gifts and apparent inability to put forth thoughtful contributions towards rational discussions where your submissions are challenged, I know, it is indeed a tad bit unsettling for you. Your ad hominem attacks against me doesn’t at all bolster your position, darling. :-S When someone challenges your position, is this how you react? By deflecting away from the query and responding with disparaging remarks? Shows the (lack of) upbringing you’ve had, and how far you’ll go in life - personally and/or professionally.


Anyhoo, you took all that time to construct an utterly incoherent yet vilifying and hateful tirade filled by snide epithets directed at my attention, yet, you didn’t even respond to the topic of inquiry (i.e.: BCE’s purported GSM/GPRS offering that you opened to the door to – which I questioned and refuted thereafter). How ironic. And for the record, someone should give you a crash course on basic Securities Procedure 101: BCE Inc. is a publicly traded company, hence, any transaction and/or change in prospectus content has to be filed with the OSC, SEDAR, Industry Canada, CRTC, et al, parties ---- thus ---- every business aspect of BCE Inc. IS subject to public disclosure(s). One doesn’t have to be an investment banker or a securities counsel or an M and A consultant to understand something that simplistic, general, and basic. Obviously, you even didn’t read let alone manage to decipher my paragraph on disclosures…. I write key sections of prospectuses and conduct securities filings every single day, and sadly, I even had the god awful misfortune to have done the due dils on BCE Inc. during it’s proposed Telus merger talks, earlier this year during the Q1 period.


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BTW you should watch the news as Bell is not owned by KKR or any other US company.

LOL! You’re innately pathetic. How much more can you embarrasses yourself like this? LMFAO! Au contraire my sweety hunny bunny. Had YOU been fully cognizant of current business affairs you’d be fully aware that the BCE Inc.’s majority shareholders voted to allow way for the KKR, Ont. Teacher’s Pension Plan, et al. parties consortium takeover. Ditto for the CRTC on foreign ownership, which btw, they ruled just weeks ago. Again, you just missed the essence of my initial post. Clearly, reading – much like writing – isn’t your forte. Go back to answering the phones and leave the intellectual discussions to those who’re business savvy and are able to carry out one in a meaningful manner..... I won’t even touch the BCE Inc’s curbing of income trusts because clearly I’m speaking a foreign language to you. P.S.: I do religiously follow the markets (particularly for the telco domains) and I do read Bloomberg, CP Newswires, TSX/NASDAQ/NYSE live updates, etc. as though it’s my second wife. :-S


As a friend, I relay this friendly advice to you: If you’re going to go on record by way of taking an adamant position on any given matter, be fully prepared to attest to its veracity. ‘Credibility’ is exceptionally paramount in today’s corporate world of the post SOX compliance era, that is, if you have aspirations, desires, and ambitions to go higher. Read more. Learn more. Cheers and all the best for the ’08 baby! xoxoxo.


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omg stfu house music homo

As per the usual, you have absolutely nothing intelligible to contribute. I won’t even address your senseless drivel. You are a complete dolt, one that is of no significant value to anyone whatsoever.


As an aside, not surprising to see cougars the by ilks of you who frequent this site on a routine basis. Hasn’t your biological clock started ticking yet???? No wonder you have this vicarious obsession of keeping tabs of me and my MSN/BlackBerry IM list and what not likes. Evidently, not surprising as to why you’re still unmarried and likely still childless, and IMHO, that’s more than enough plight and a curse for you.


Btw minxy, I’m in NYC for NYE. Since you’re such a bona fide pest, can you please do a public good for once, by way of your Jewish cartel-Bruce Wasserstein-Lloyd Blankfein-Larry Ellison-Safra Catz-et al. affiliation and getting me (and 3 guests) inside some of NYC’s hot spots? Particularly, Sullivan Room, Club Love, Avalon, Spirit, Shelter, and especially I’d kill to get into Socialista! (Please, none of the Roxy, Pacha, Cielo, etc. garbage).

Please don't speak to me as though you are my friend which you are not. Please don't comment on myself as a person nor my upbringing as you do not nor ever will know me as a person. Please don't comment on my professional status as you don't even know what I do here. You have an issue with my comment of you pulling information out of your ass....this is a casual message board not a professional meeting of the minds. Commentary is appropriate for the atmosphere. I am solo commenting on how I'm sure 95% of the other people here feel about you.

BCE does currently have public shareholders however we are not currently owned by any 1 specific company. Come 2008 BCE will become a private company.

Again like I said you're asking for specifics and as I mentioned before I can not address specifics due to legal reasons.

You only seem to come on here when you feel the need to bash persons, companies etc. Why don't you find something that you can actually add of interest to the folks of TNC without trying to berate everyone and everything? You call me low class...take a good look in the mirror!!!

Thanks and have a great day!!!
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Btw minxy, I’m in NYC for NYE. Since you’re such a bona fide pest, can you please do a public good for once, by way of your Jewish cartel-Bruce Wasserstein-Lloyd Blankfein-Larry Ellison-Safra Catz-et al. affiliation and getting me (and 3 guests) inside some of NYC’s hot spots? Particularly, Sullivan Room, Club Love, Avalon, Spirit, Shelter, and especially I’d kill to get into Socialista! (Please, none of the Roxy, Pacha, Cielo, etc. garbage).
see ya here bitchface :lol: :lol:

coulda sworn you were my midget taxidriver the other nite... musta been mistaken :lol: :lol:
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